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Post by hal on May 10, 2022 9:04:41 GMT 1
I am all for SF coming good and securing NI.
Of course any progress they try to make will be scuppered by the flat-earthers and it will all go back to where it started.
I have never quite forgiven SF for their cussedness in not sitting at Westminster. SF could have done much more fighting from within rather than rabbit on about not being servant to the queen malarkey. And, the one thing I will never forgive them for: that by staying away from Westminster, they arguably cost the UK membership of the EU and allowed this nonsense thing called brexit. The irony is that SF could have had a much better chance of seeing a united Eire with the UK still in the EU!
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 10:27:17 GMT 1
I'd guess very few. But for the Conservative and Unionist party and to an extent the Labour Party in Scotland relinquishing UK rule in NI would be damaging for the party responsible. I don't see that. I don't know about Scotland but IMHO most English voters don't give NI a moments thought. The only time it comes up on their radar nowadays is when the unionists complain about something. There are still enough around who remember the bombings and would be more than happy to be rid of the whole lot of them. The question is ( as always ) what is in the best interest for the ruling party at Westminster.
Moving to Scotland I think a lot of people would be sad to see them go as there's been a greater blending both culturally and socially but equally I do think there is sympathy south of the border to their position. Nobody wants to see an unwilling partner forced to stay in a marriage.
Think of it this way, if we didn't have Ukraine, the cost of living crisis, global warming, partygate etc, and the only issue to hit the papers was the right to self determination for the nations within the UK, would the kingdom remain united?
Trust me when I tell you NI politics extends well into Scotland. There 86 orange walks scheduled in Glasgow alone this summer. There's an orange lodge in every sizeable town in the west of Scotland and although much diminished, the OO wields some political influence. The two major UK parties in Scotland court the OO. The one that "dumps" ni will see that support flood to the other. I don't envisage sadness in Scotland at a united Ireland. Principally there will be joy although among the aforementioned it will be raging anger.
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Post by davelister on May 10, 2022 12:47:22 GMT 1
Sorry I didn't make myself clear. When I said ' moving to Scotland' I meant moving to the Scotland independence question and when I said I thought a lot of people would be sad to see them go I meant people south of the border. I think the average Englishman has a soft spot for the Scots whereas, since the troubles ended, unless it's there's somethig on the news they don't think of the northern Irish at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 13:01:37 GMT 1
The only obstacle to continued good relations between Scotland and England will be Westminster belligerence. Its the political union that will end, not the social and cultural links.
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Post by Nifty on May 10, 2022 13:55:56 GMT 1
Old stuff on the rebound
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Post by flober on May 10, 2022 17:02:06 GMT 1
I'm not so sure that the eu would help because of the can of worms that would open with Spain the basques and the catolans.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 17:10:48 GMT 1
The Good Friday Agreement?
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Post by ForumUser2 on May 10, 2022 19:33:17 GMT 1
The Good Friday Agreement? And do we trust Westminster to keep its part of the bargain?
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Post by Nifty on May 11, 2022 6:52:29 GMT 1
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Post by cernunnos on May 11, 2022 7:42:34 GMT 1
It's so strange ( in my opinion) that the electorate forget what politicians said and promised a few weeks/months ago . The UK government left the EU without even stopping to think one second about N.I. , they were too busy getting out before the new tax haven rules were applied !
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Post by Nifty on May 11, 2022 7:53:32 GMT 1
That is a root reason for this charade.
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Post by ForumUser2 on May 11, 2022 8:19:26 GMT 1
It's so strange ( in my opinion) that the electorate forget what politicians said and promised a few weeks/months ago . The UK government left the EU without even stopping to think one second about N.I. , they were too busy getting out before the new tax haven rules were applied ! Very true. It was clear that Brexit would put strain on the GFA and the choice was always going to be the return of the hard British border on the island or in the Irish Sea. Neither option was acceptable but, as you say, nobody really cared - even the Remain team failed to press the point. The attitude at the time seemed to be that the UK was so precious and special that such niggardly problems as the future of one of the 4 UK constituents was irrelevant and world-beating Britishness would solve the problem at a canter. Such is hubris.
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Post by flober on May 11, 2022 9:43:12 GMT 1
Its interesting,or not,the idea that the UK as a world player still persists when the country has been in decline for such a long time and will not be reversing that trend anytime soon.
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Post by Nifty on May 11, 2022 20:43:45 GMT 1
Possibly in abt. 0.87% of Σ people.
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Post by Nifty on May 20, 2022 9:24:00 GMT 1
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