Nifty
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Post by Nifty on Oct 17, 2023 10:05:42 GMT 1
‘ might just save a few million lives’
and bring about a swifter conclusion to humanity than letting nature take its course.
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Post by jackie on Oct 17, 2023 15:13:35 GMT 1
A friends elderly mother, living in the UK in a major town has serious health problems and went to ask about a covid jab at her local pharmacy. She was told they couldn’t get hold of the jabs. I'm very surprised at that, my 89 year old housebound mother had her's at home three weeks ago and FIL whose just gone through cancer treatment had his at the pharmacy attached to the doctors surgery. Neither had to anything as they were contacted direct by their respective surgeries. Just repeating back what the friend told me, her mum lives in Gloucester. Perhaps it depends where you live? 🤷♀️
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Post by tim17 on Oct 17, 2023 16:05:05 GMT 1
Perhaps it depends where you live? The system is setup so that your local surgery contacts you direct if you are eligible for a booster, pharmacies not attached to a surgery will therefore not have any stocks.
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Post by gigi on Oct 17, 2023 16:47:45 GMT 1
Perhaps it depends where you live? The system is setup so that your local surgery contacts you direct if you are eligible for a booster, pharmacies not attached to a surgery will therefore not have any stocks. Our GP practice in the UK are only doing tge civid booster plus the flu jab together - if you want one on its own they aren’t carrying that out. All local pharmacies near us are doing both together or individual jabs; my husband had the flu jab by appointment in September at our local branch of Boots, and the covid booster at a walk-in clinic in Wokingham.
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Post by triumphant on Oct 17, 2023 17:09:47 GMT 1
I've just been reading through the posts on this with disbelief, I'm 70 years old, never had a flu vax and never had a covid vax. I did loose 20 months of work due to being unvacinated but once they changed the rules I travelled backwards and forwards between France and the UK with no problem. I think the whole thing has been a real good earner for the pharmaceutical industry and little else. Maybe one day a pharmaceutical company will come up with a pill that makes stupid people better 😀 Stupid? Perhaps Happy with my decision? Absolutely. To put some meat on the bones as they say, I did what I have done on every day of my working life. I carried out a risk assessment based on the information available. According to the NOS the median age of fatalities due to covid was 84, For me not applicable The majority of the fatalities incurred other morbidity risks, obesity, hypertension, cardiac disease. Again not applicable The death rate in France was 0.4% so a 99.6% of not dieing of covid. No comment needed. So on offer was/is a 'new' vaccine which instead of having the normal testing regime which can take 10 years or more was tested for 10 weeks or months depending who you listened to. Given all the above my risk assessment matrix gave an unambiguous solution. That's the one I took. Stupid? Possibly!!
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Post by mangetout on Oct 17, 2023 17:21:25 GMT 1
I suppose most of us, regardless of our limited ability to risk assess in an arena outside of our sphere of knowledge, decide to believe the experts. Dr Google is responsible for lots of folks thinking they know better than someone who has studied medicine for at least a decade or more. Up to you. You pay your money and take your chance. Long may your luck last.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Oct 17, 2023 19:02:10 GMT 1
According to the NOS the median age of fatalities due to covid was 84, If the median age was 84 and the data started at age 0 then the oldest victim was 168. Median is the midpoint of the range Mean is the average Mode is the distribution group into which the highest numbers of occurrences fall. It's hard to trust a statistical figure that's expressed in such a suspect manner.
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Post by triumphant on Oct 17, 2023 19:08:48 GMT 1
According to the NOS the median age of fatalities due to covid was 84, If the median age was 84 and the data started at age 0 then the oldest victim was 168. Median is the midpoint of the range Mean is the average Mode is the distribution group into which the highest numbers of occurrences fall. It's hard to trust a statistical figure that's expressed in such a suspect manner. You could be right, it is the Office for National Satistics so perhaps they have no understanding of the word median and how it should be used. They did however also use "mean" but I don't like to be mean!
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Post by mangetout on Oct 17, 2023 19:30:02 GMT 1
If the median age was 84 and the data started at age 0 then the oldest victim was 168. Median is the midpoint of the range Mean is the average Mode is the distribution group into which the highest numbers of occurrences fall. It's hard to trust a statistical figure that's expressed in such a suspect manner. You could be right, it is the Office for National Satistics so perhaps they have no understanding of the word median and how it should be used. They did however also use "mean" but I don't like to be mean! Don't tell me you really don't understand the different measures of 'average' and how extremes etc affect them? Anyone who doesn't understand these simple calculations really shouldn't go quoting statistics.
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Post by triumphant on Oct 17, 2023 19:45:00 GMT 1
You could be right, it is the Office for National Satistics so perhaps they have no understanding of the word median and how it should be used. They did however also use "mean" but I don't like to be mean! Don't tell me you really don't understand the different measures of 'average' and how extremes etc affect them? Anyone who doesn't understand these simple calculations really shouldn't go quoting statistics. To be honest this is getting hilarious, the average age of death (all causes) in the UK is 80.9 years. The average age of death from covid is anywhere from 81 to 84 years depending what months you choose. To nit pick over the definition of median, mean, average or any other word you wish to use is missing the point completely. Also missing the point is believing that luck plays any part of a risk assessment. In fact the whole point of a risk assessment is to make risk as low as reasonably possible. ALARP. If the risk is as low as 0.4% then the best choice is do nothing other than keep yourself fit and healthy (if that's possible) and try to improve the immune system if that proves to be low.
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Post by exile on Oct 17, 2023 20:10:27 GMT 1
triumphantSo your risk assessment was based on how the vaccine would affect you - no matter how true or false those assessments may have been. I don't suppose it has occurred to you that vaccination does not just protect you but also those around you. There was some truth about developing herd immunity but doing it through vaccination rather than the UK (and other) original ideas of just let folk catch it. Vaccination means that when you are infected, the virus finds it difficult to multiply and so it becomes difficult for you to then pass on the virus to others. So it does not just protect you but those around you. This is why those in close contact with vulnerable people were urged early on to be vaccinated. It seems to me unlikely that after this time you have not contracted covid and especially as you suggest that you had been doing a bit of travelling until restrictions put a stop and of course because you have been unvaccinated. I would suggest therefore that statistically it is more than likely that you have been asymptomatically infected. All well and good for you but I wonder how many people you might have infected and dare I say it perhaps killed. No one will ever know. You may even have been a super spreader with your stated travels. What we do know however is that the smallpox virus was not eliminated by people saying "I'll be alright" and avoiding vaccination. We do know that much of the urban world is protected from the polio virus because people do get vaccinated and in doing so protect (through herd immunity) those who cannot take the vaccine due to allergic reaction to traces of the antibiotics used to deactivate the vaccine. We do know that the measles vaccine provided very high levels of protection against the virus until some clown of a "doctor" suggested that the MMR vaccine could cause autism. Now proven that it does not but many parents have used the false information as the basis for not vaccinating their children. Some children now catch measles and enjoy the benefits of non-vaccination - blindness, meningitis and sometimes even death. And all because they looked at and believed some half cocked statistics that are now baked into urban myth. So yes you are entitled to look at your own situation and make an assessment ( based on information that might be stilted or just plain wrong) of how vaccination might impact you; but failing to take a wider view is to my mind nothing but selfish.
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Post by triumphant on Oct 17, 2023 20:48:18 GMT 1
triumphantSo your risk assessment was based on how the vaccine would affect you - no matter how true or false those assessments may have been. I don't suppose it has occurred to you that vaccination does not just protect you but also those around you. There was some truth about developing herd immunity but doing it through vaccination rather than the UK (and other) original ideas of just let folk catch it. Vaccination means that when you are infected, the virus finds it difficult to multiply and so it becomes difficult for you to then pass on the virus to others. So it does not just protect you but those around you. This is why those in close contact with vulnerable people were urged early on to be vaccinated. It seems to me unlikely that after this time you have not contracted covid and especially as you suggest that you had been doing a bit of travelling until restrictions put a stop and of course because you have been unvaccinated. I would suggest therefore that statistically it is more than likely that you have been asymptomatically infected. All well and good for you but I wonder how many people you might have infected and dare I say it perhaps killed. No one will ever know. You may even have been a super spreader with your stated travels. What we do know however is that the smallpox virus was not eliminated by people saying "I'll be alright" and avoiding vaccination. We do know that much of the urban world is protected from the polio virus because people do get vaccinated and in doing so protect (through herd immunity) those who cannot take the vaccine due to allergic reaction to traces of the antibiotics used to deactivate the vaccine. We do know that the measles vaccine provided very high levels of protection against the virus until some clown of a "doctor" suggested that the MMR vaccine could cause autism. Now proven that it does not but many parents have used the false information as the basis for not vaccinating their children. Some children now catch measles and enjoy the benefits of non-vaccination - blindness, meningitis and sometimes even death. And all because they looked at and believed some half cocked statistics that are now baked into urban myth. So yes you are entitled to look at your own situation and make an assessment ( based on information that might be stilted or just plain wrong) of how vaccination might impact you; but failing to take a wider view is to my mind nothing but selfish. Wow you have a vivid imagination, super spreader, are you being serious? For your information in order to travel between France and the UK during 2021 and 2022 it was a requirement to have a negative covid test prior to travel. This is what I had to do so I was negative for all my travel. As an aside I would hope that any vulnerable people would be vaccinated so I wouldn't be a threat anyway even if I was carrying it. Quite why you are mentioning polio, smallpox, measles etc I have no idea but I guess it makes your post bigger and as everyone knows size counts. By the way the information I was quoting was either from government agencies or the WHO so yes maybe your right and it's wrong.
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Post by mangetout on Oct 17, 2023 21:37:43 GMT 1
You couldn't make it up if you tried.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Oct 17, 2023 21:46:10 GMT 1
As yet there's no vaccine to avoid the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Oct 17, 2023 21:47:13 GMT 1
If the median age was 84 and the data started at age 0 then the oldest victim was 168. Median is the midpoint of the range Mean is the average Mode is the distribution group into which the highest numbers of occurrences fall. It's hard to trust a statistical figure that's expressed in such a suspect manner. You could be right No. I am right.
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