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Post by greyman on Sept 7, 2021 8:53:13 GMT 1
As the original questioner giving rise to this thread perhaps I should elaborate the circumstances that gave rise to my raised eyebrow. I don't know Grumpyish's situation so it was no criticism I was just raising a point that may have misled others in a different position.
So Grumpyish said they had flipped their residency from UK to France. This to me indicated over 183 days in France and implicit compliance with Article 4.2(a) or (b) = centre of vital interests or habitual abode. Hence treaty resident in France. They then stated they had no intention of being taxed anywhere but UK, or words to that effect. The word intention caught my eye as I took this to mean a deliberate non-compliance even where it was required.
This is a common stance amongst newly arrived UK immigrants or expats and I just wanted to determine on what basis that intention was being exercised. The subsequent debate has been interesting !
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Post by tim17 on Sept 7, 2021 10:17:22 GMT 1
Dom, you're going to infer that purely by having residency here there is a legal obligation to submit a tax return, but clearly as has been shown it's not as straightforward as that.
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Post by hal on Sept 7, 2021 11:17:11 GMT 1
as far as I am concerned, nothing has been posted which merits legal action being taken by any party.
eee vaa, is she now an expert on libel as well...
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Post by FFS on Sept 7, 2021 11:40:28 GMT 1
as far as I am concerned, nothing has been posted which merits legal action being taken by any party.
eee vaa, is she now an expert on libel as well... Who is 'she'?
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Post by lapourtaider on Sept 7, 2021 12:31:56 GMT 1
DB - I did not have to make a tax return in 2020 - I was resident in the UK. If you read carefully then it was agreed by the french tax international office this year. Hi grumpyish First off, a reminder that I completely get that for 2021, you don't have to complete a tax return and can pay your tax in the UK. Secondly, I'm going to ask a question that I'm purely interested in from an academic point of you, and is in no way a criticism. The above quote I found interesting. You have a CDS under the WARP agreement. To be entitled to this CDS, you had to be resident in France before the 31st December 2020. I believe you were resident from November. Hi New here. I'm coming up 70 and have flipped residence to 24 in Nov last year. So my question is what agreement did you get through the french tax authorities (international) for the two months of last year that you would normally had to have submitted a tax return?
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Post by hal on Sept 7, 2021 12:48:27 GMT 1
eee vaa, is she now an expert on libel as well... Who is 'she'? The op, but maybe I have it wrong again and missed out on a development...
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Post by Dominic Best on Sept 7, 2021 18:57:32 GMT 1
Dom, you're going to infer that purely by having residency here there is a legal obligation to submit a tax return, but clearly as has been shown it's not as straightforward as that. Show me where it says I’m wrong. You are confusing apples and pears.
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Post by tim17 on Sept 7, 2021 19:18:47 GMT 1
Obviously you believe Mr and Mrs Grumps are breaking the law/rules Dominic and nothing I can say or show you will change that.
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Post by Crystal on Sept 7, 2021 19:52:21 GMT 1
If you are/were a UK resident, then how do you have a CDS, unless you made a false declaration, which means you will have committed fraud. The way to get a CDS without being a permanent resident is to start up as an auto entrepreneur with a business. You pay tax here,eg summer rentals but are still able to be resident in UK paying tax there for self employed. I know this has been done, friend of a friend. Then I believe your 'friend of a friend' must have done something dodgy - because although it is possible for a non-resident to register as an AE, it doesn't give them the right to a CdS.
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Post by ibis on Sept 7, 2021 19:55:24 GMT 1
I think a lot of people on this thread are jealous, need to hire an accountant ( the money you pay will pay off) or move to a country that everyone pays the same tax (universal); no loopholes to find and use..
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Post by Dominic Best on Sept 7, 2021 19:56:26 GMT 1
Obviously you believe Mr and Mrs Grumps are breaking the law/rules Dominic and nothing I can say or show you will change that. You are missing the point Tim, if every French resident has to do something irrespective of their tax residency they are not exempt. I’m actually being helpful as the fines for not completing some parts of the return are pretty hefty.
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Post by Crystal on Sept 7, 2021 20:24:19 GMT 1
I'm with Dominic on this one. Regardless of any tax arrangements, no matter how 'unusual', it is a legal obligation for every resident of France to do a tax return - no 'ifs' 'buts' or 'maybes'! The very first sentence on the official government site, www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F358 reads... "Vous devez déclarer vos revenus auprès du service des impôts chaque année si vous résidez en France." It would be helpful if anyone believing otherwise could post a link to an official source to back up what they are saying.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 21:03:38 GMT 1
Good test of your ability - find it on the impots website. We can.
No more postings by me.
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Post by Dominic Best on Sept 7, 2021 21:06:07 GMT 1
Good test of your ability - find it on the impots website. We can. No more postings by me. Shame, it concerns you. The other thing is it’s so simple to do.
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