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Post by gigi on Sept 25, 2021 17:42:32 GMT 1
It’s bad enough to have such problems here in the UK without posters on this forum piling in with unpleasant, gloating posts, some seeming to hope that it will get worse.
Nobody would expect posters to make light of the problems here, which will particularly hit those least able to cope with it all, but I find the sheer nasty gloating hard to take.
Most posters on here know perfectly well that many millions of people are disgusted with the Tory government that they didn’t vote for but have to live with it, despite objecting to our own MPs and to the government, but tar everyone with the same brush in their sweeping statements.
And as for “a sense of 'acceptance' not just of the Brexit consequences but also of the level of daily Covid infections and deaths”, it shocked me to read that - but maybe that’s true of the people you mixed with/met. Hard to imagine mixing with such stupid, thoughtless people though.
It’s horrifying to me and those close to me that such high figures of infections and deaths are happening day after day. We all still take the precautions of wearing masks, washing hands well and regularly, using hand gel, shopping early in tbe mornings and having groceries delivered, not going anywhere crowded, taking tests to check that we don’t have Covid and won’t be passing it on inadvertently to others.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 17:54:51 GMT 1
You will concede that most now don't wear masks or maintain social distance, that news media are more concerned with economic news now that Covid has levelled out. People seem more concerned with their holiday,gas bill or finding petrol than the 200 fresh corpses each day. Hardly the actions of a caring society where lip-service is paid to individual tragedies while being more concerned that their favourite holiday destination is red or not.
And all the while the politicos use Covid as a blanket excuse for government failings, deflect the corrosive effects of Brexit and find ever more obscure things to congratulate themselves about.
I concede that the UK is no worse than other polities in many ways but is by no means an exemplar of careful governance. Just not being the worst ain't good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 18:21:21 GMT 1
I think you are well aware that that’s not what Gigi was commenting on .Nobody is trying to deny that Britain ,in particular, has problems , but the sheer nastiness and gloating on this forum is unbelievable. AllI will say is recent times have told me that you never know what may happen. Perhaps you won’t all be so boastful in a few years
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Post by FFS on Sept 25, 2021 19:58:58 GMT 1
Speaking for myself, I can't see any nasty gloating in the posts on this thread. I can, though, see disappointment and disillusion; that is a perfectly normal response to a situation that should not be happening.
I'm sure you will accept, gigi, that the majority of the members of this forum did not vote for Brexit, by virtue of the fact that they are either resident in France or have property here, so they could see the pointlessness of a Leave vote. The fact that Brexit happened and there is nothing they can do about it is a slap in the face, yet knowing it was evidently a wrong decision does add a certain schadenfreude to the news of events that are a clear result of a bad decision.
A forum member has said, paraphrasing, that there seems to be a general acceptance of things as they currently are; that's resignation and a sense of impotence. Despite the fact that "many millions of people are disgusted with the Tory government that they didn’t vote for but have to live with" (however, someone must have voted them in), nobody seems to be doing anything effective to change the situation, so I can understand the frustration of people who lash out.
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Post by tim17 on Sept 25, 2021 21:21:23 GMT 1
I made the 'acceptance' comment and it was based on what I saw just a week ago. There was a distinct lack of mask wearing and social distancing everywhere we went, it was nothing to do with 'who we mixed with' but the general attitude of everyone around us. The worst incident occurred in Wetherspoons (no comments please), several groups of students ignored the 'booths' set up by the pub and crowded round tables causing problems for the staff and other customers. Surely if people were worried about the high infection numbers or daily deaths they wouldn't behave they way they do?
As for the current UK government, there seems no real 'backlash' despite the almost daily 'cock-ups' with an insipid opposition still hell bent on 'navel gazing' rather than offering any viable alternative.
I'm saying this as someone who is likely to move back to the UK in the next year or so which frankly scares the shit out of me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 21:37:31 GMT 1
I'm quite happy with the way things are going.
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Post by exile on Sept 25, 2021 21:45:07 GMT 1
I think you are well aware that that’s not what Gigi was commenting on .Nobody is trying to deny that Britain ,in particular, has problems , but the sheer nastiness and gloating on this forum is unbelievable. AllI will say is recent times have told me that you never know what may happen. Perhaps you won’t all be so boastful in a few years The only gloating I noted seemed to be aimed at one member (not really acceptable nevertheless) who in turn seems to gloat in the other direction. The rest seemed to be comment - more or less informed - about what is going on. Observations - first or second hand - about the lack of care for simple Covid protection measures seem to reflect a country that in part at least has lost its way in terms of setting priorities. Something that I personally observe as a fault within the UK government as well and now reflected in a fuel crisis that did not need to be.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 21:57:33 GMT 1
It’s not just on this thread hence my use of the expression forum The gloating on this thread is aimed at the one member,that member may gloat back but it’s about a situation rather than personal
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Post by FFS on Sept 25, 2021 22:00:41 GMT 1
Point out to us a post that, for you, demonstrates nastiness and gloating, @eddie ; what you may see as that is probably to the rest of us just fair comment.
As for this thread, comments aimed at BE are not gloating, they are justly deserved, given his antipathy towards those who see the real situation in the UK.
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Post by woolybanana on Sept 25, 2021 23:34:06 GMT 1
Who is BE svp?
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Post by tim17 on Sept 26, 2021 7:03:11 GMT 1
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Post by Nifty on Sept 26, 2021 8:13:21 GMT 1
It wil be better this weekend with a drill for the run-up to gridlock.
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Post by mangetout on Sept 26, 2021 8:15:03 GMT 1
I see no reason to object to calling out the likes of BE. People like that not only deny the truth, but in doing so peddle untruths. Think Trump. To say that there is no problem with the NHS, or a shortage of anything because of transport or labour shortages is blatantly untrue and should be challenged. Too many people are paralysed by 'correct' behaviour. But where I come from, a spade is a spade.
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Post by Nifty on Sept 26, 2021 8:17:10 GMT 1
BE has got nothing to do with the M4 being closed.I think that some of those pulling the strings get some sort of personal gratification through their actions.
I know I did.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2021 8:27:22 GMT 1
If people had put as much effort into actually doing things as they do to pontificating from a keyboard, we’d not have got in this mess
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