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Post by ibis on Apr 7, 2022 1:44:50 GMT 1
Yes, I would like to see Le Pen win. Hopefully my vote counts towards this. France needs change. Big time.. Even if it means a big shake up for the next few years. What needs to change in France ‘big time’ exactly ? The first thing wold be employment laws.
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Post by Seaboots on Apr 7, 2022 5:30:55 GMT 1
What needs to change in France ‘big time’ exactly ? The first thing wold be employment laws. That’s interesting ibis as there is very little if no reference to unemployment in this years manifesto. Her previous effort in 2017 said if I recall exactly that she would would be looking to cut 200000 civil service jobs. Governments since Sarko have cut public sector jobs which has weakened the Health service and other government agencies. Marine isn’t the girl you want to help employment I’m afraid. Saying that, she has certainly cleaned up her act since those days and has become much more electable. Her stance on immigration is very Pro Brexit style with the state having more control over immigration and the rights to benefits etc I do like some of her policies and wouldn’t be too bothered if she had a go. She would be tough on law and order which France requires imo. I believe Macron is the best of an average lot, probably a bit like Boris in the UK or that new chap pie in Germany.
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Post by houpla on Apr 7, 2022 9:04:57 GMT 1
Oh yes, very much so. I'd back Zemmour like a shot if only there wasn't this nagging feeling that I've heard promises to turn the clock back to a 'golden age' somewhere once before.......and look what happened there.
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Post by omegal on Apr 7, 2022 10:05:03 GMT 1
Ibis what change to the employment rules do you suggest? I will say they are far superior to UK employment rules....
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Post by exile on Apr 7, 2022 10:51:44 GMT 1
Well that depends on whether you are an employer or employee.
It is very difficult to sack an employee or make them redundant. That may be seen as a good thing but it also works against the employees. It is why you see so many contracts as CDD - short term contract (6 months) - and so few as CDI - long term contract. CDD is the French equivalent of zero hours working. You can of course get a renewal of the contract if you are good - but that is only up to a total of 2 years. Then most people on CDD find themselves out of work again.
Overall however I do agree that the French rules are somewhat superior to the UK ones but perhaps not as much as you might think.
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Post by Seaboots on Apr 7, 2022 11:51:03 GMT 1
Well that depends on whether you are an employer or employee. It is very difficult to sack an employee or make them redundant. That may be seen as a good thing but it also works against the employees. It is why you see so many contracts as CDD - short term contract (6 months) - and so few as CDI - long term contract. CDD is the French equivalent of zero hours working. You can of course get a renewal of the contract if you are good - but that is only up to a total of 2 years. Then most people on CDD find themselves out of work again. Overall however I do agree that the French rules are somewhat superior to the UK ones but perhaps not as much as you might think. The problems of employing people stem from the ridiculous impositions on the employer by the state. Charges are too high to incite companies to take on full time staff on permanent contracts. Problem is, if the state reduces les charges patronales then their coffers are less swollen which results in cutbacks in services ie Health, roads, educasun etc. It’s a tricky balance.
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Post by lindalovely on Apr 7, 2022 14:04:10 GMT 1
What needs to change in France ‘big time’ exactly ? The first thing wold be employment laws. i have read all the so called 'manifestos' of the candidates and there is nothing in MLP's that suggest a radical change to employment laws. In fact Macron is far more radical than her in that respect. Her only policies seem to be around tougher penalties for crime and deporting all foreigners who commit a crime. I would think there are a several British immigrants who should be concerned about that. Also removing the right to French nationality by birth is a big one for British people resident in France who have children born here..who may not know another country as home, but will lose the right to be French. All candidates are going to employ more nurses, teachers and doctors and the only difference between them is the numbers they promise. I's all nonsense because it assumes that 50000 nurses etc are languishing on chomage desperate to work, whereas the reality is there are not enough training places to cover demand and a high drop out rate. Macron is the only one that mentions that in order to produce more doctors the system needs to be reformed.
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Post by houpla on Apr 7, 2022 14:05:31 GMT 1
I'd say the most urgent reform required is to streamline and render efficient the administration. It might be roughly up to speed on using 'new' technology, but it's still in the Dark Ages regarding customer service, attitude and efficiency. Several candidates, past and present, have mooted slimming the ranks, but wasn't it a bit stupid to announce 000's of redundancies before the elections? For every citizen who isn't a fonc, there's probably at least one who is, so as an electoral vote-winning strategy, it was/is a bit daft.
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Post by omegal on Apr 7, 2022 14:11:48 GMT 1
Well that depends on whether you are an employer or employee. It is very difficult to sack an employee or make them redundant. That may be seen as a good thing but it also works against the employees. It is why you see so many contracts as CDD - short term contract (6 months) - and so few as CDI - long term contract. CDD is the French equivalent of zero hours working. You can of course get a renewal of the contract if you are good - but that is only up to a total of 2 years. Then most people on CDD find themselves out of work again. Overall however I do agree that the French rules are somewhat superior to the UK ones but perhaps not as much as you might think. I am sorry but CDD does not resemble a no hours contract in any way. I do know the reasons for CDD and I think they are a good way to see if anyone is suitable for the job, or maybe six months is the length required for someone but zero hours, sorry no way. Our Daughter started in her work as CDD at the end of that she was offered the bob as a CDI and 14 years later she has risen fairly high in her job and now offers CDD to most of the future employees. Makes sense unless of course someone applies and they have the exact experience required and their CV confirms a CDI will be of benefit to the company. Those types of future employee might not even accept a CDD of course.
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Post by houpla on Apr 7, 2022 14:12:54 GMT 1
All candidates are going to employ more nurses, teachers and doctors and the only difference between them is the numbers they promise. I's all nonsense because it assumes that 50000 nurses etc are languishing on chomage desperate to work, whereas the reality is there are not enough training places to cover demand and a high drop out rate. Macron is the only one that mentions that in order to produce more doctors the system needs to be reformed. That struck me too, with regard to doctors and medical desertification. Just throwing money at the problem hasn't worked so far and nothing suggests that the solution is that simple. It's going to take many years to produce a useful number of young, active doctors who are either willing to work in rural areas or consider the incentives sufficient. The other solution, importing doctors (and nurses) from abroad is already being tried, with very limited success.
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Post by houpla on Apr 7, 2022 14:15:27 GMT 1
And we haven't even got onto wind-farms yet
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Post by tim17 on Apr 7, 2022 16:29:11 GMT 1
The issue isn't so much the number of doctors (which is increasing) it's the fact that very few newly qualified doctors want to practice in rural areas and that has got worse in the last ten years.
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Post by exile on Apr 7, 2022 17:52:30 GMT 1
Well that depends on whether you are an employer or employee. It is very difficult to sack an employee or make them redundant. That may be seen as a good thing but it also works against the employees. It is why you see so many contracts as CDD - short term contract (6 months) - and so few as CDI - long term contract. CDD is the French equivalent of zero hours working. You can of course get a renewal of the contract if you are good - but that is only up to a total of 2 years. Then most people on CDD find themselves out of work again. Overall however I do agree that the French rules are somewhat superior to the UK ones but perhaps not as much as you might think. I am sorry but CDD does not resemble a no hours contract in any way. I do know the reasons for CDD and I think they are a good way to see if anyone is suitable for the job, or maybe six months is the length required for someone but zero hours, sorry no way. Our Daughter started in her work as CDD at the end of that she was offered the bob as a CDI and 14 years later she has risen fairly high in her job and now offers CDD to most of the future employees. Makes sense unless of course someone applies and they have the exact experience required and their CV confirms a CDI will be of benefit to the company. Those types of future employee might not even accept a CDD of course. I agree that CDD does allow a company to assess a potential future permanent employee but why does it take potentially 2 years for that to happen (CDD contract renewed three times). While you are thinking about that, I can tell you that I was expressly forbidden by HR to extend the contract of an employee because it was the end of his CDD period and they were not prepared to convert to a CDI no matter how good he was. Discussing that situation with his supervisor she explained that it was common practice to terminate at 2 years rather than convert to CDI - and not just in our company. The supervisor had previously warned me that that might be the outcome before I went to HR.
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Post by flober on Apr 7, 2022 18:06:50 GMT 1
I always started with a CDD,it served as stated above but also gave me a good look at the firm as well, to see if I fitted with them. Another point is that it is a damn sight easier to get rid of someone on a CDI then many brits think.The person involved can be sent to all the bad sites,materials ordered for site don't arrive on time etc etc.Read up on the harrassment of orange employees. Its easy to say its this its that but you really have to see it first hand to know otherwise
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Post by jackie on Apr 7, 2022 18:14:52 GMT 1
The issue isn't so much the number of doctors (which is increasing) it's the fact that very few newly qualified doctors want to practice in rural areas and that has got worse in the last ten years. I asked my MT about the shortage recently and he said that for every 10,000 retiring only 5000 qualify to replace them.
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