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Post by jackie on Sept 2, 2022 8:36:40 GMT 1
Basing the decisions we are making for the future on the past is only applicable when the situation in the future is the same or similar to that in the past. You can say " we have never had an electricity failure " in ...... years, but Putin has just turned off the gas. We have enough firewood stacked inside for four years , so are not too worried about transport of pellets , so if it was I looking into the future, I would not invest in a pellet burner , but once again everyone has to live with decisions that they make ( think Brexit) But surely that applies to your situation too. Who is to say that one day you may be physically unable to process your trees for firewood. I hope that never happens but we are all vulnerable to the future unknowns….
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Post by omegal on Sept 2, 2022 9:12:07 GMT 1
The cult seems to be more the people that have their own wood and plenty of it telling us mere pellet burners just how cheap they are and all is just hunky dory with them, never had a chimney fire Well done you keep the chimney cleaned. Well here you are, we have had oil central heating, electric central heating, 3 houses with wood burners and now we are using a pellet burner. That would tell anyone with a small willy, or with a brain the size of a walnut that by us choosing a pellet burner was through checking out others with that system. No need for us to check out other systems as we had them all before. A gas system is the only we never had for a house but we had it for our camping showers. So I'll raise you 3 wood burners, oil central heating, electric heating system and a pellet burner against your system...? Thanks for the confirmation , sorry about upsetting you . (Dordogne) Upset me, you are having a grin, I do feel sorry for you though, living in the back of beyond in the 87 you must have done something awful in a previous life to end up there but they did give you free timber to burn, so not all bad that gives you more to spend on moonshine......
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Post by pcpa on Sept 2, 2022 12:42:16 GMT 1
Someone please correct me if I am wrong but I believe they are not legal in France.
Not that anyone is going to do anything or care about what you have installed.
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Post by jackie on Sept 2, 2022 13:52:08 GMT 1
Someone please correct me if I am wrong but I believe they are not legal in France. Not that anyone is going to do anything or care about what you have installed. What, pellet burners?
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Post by pcpa on Sept 2, 2022 16:14:05 GMT 1
No, I was responding to what I thought was the previous post (open non pressurised water tanks) unaware as often happens that there was another page of comments.
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Post by Aardvark on Sept 2, 2022 17:40:24 GMT 1
You reminded me of an episode of "Rogue Traders" a few years ago. A scammer plumber was wasting time supposedly fixing a faulty ballcock in someone's loft. The camera caught him having a widdle in the open header tank.
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Post by cernunnos on Sept 2, 2022 19:06:59 GMT 1
Someone please correct me if I am wrong but I believe they are not legal in France. Not that anyone is going to do anything or care about what you have installed. I havn't installed anything yet , all done by French professionals . An open header tank is not illegal, in fact it is far safer than a closed system with safety valves that can fail. The problem with it , is the low pressure that cannot be increased.
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Post by cernunnos on Sept 2, 2022 19:18:17 GMT 1
Basing the decisions we are making for the future on the past is only applicable when the situation in the future is the same or similar to that in the past. You can say " we have never had an electricity failure " in ...... years, but Putin has just turned off the gas. We have enough firewood stacked inside for four years , so are not too worried about transport of pellets , so if it was I looking into the future, I would not invest in a pellet burner , but once again everyone has to live with decisions that they make ( think Brexit) But surely that applies to your situation too. Who is to say that one day you may be physically unable to process your trees for firewood. I hope that never happens but we are all vulnerable to the future unknowns…. Yes , it does, and of course one day I won't be able to produce the firewood , but then we are four years ahead with wood, so that will give time to look for a solution then. One day we will all get too old to do the things we do now. When I can't produce firewood , I won't be able to farm either , so we will have to move or find someone to take over the farm . I have a grand daughter that is interested. I think the problem with electricity is an immediate one , not something that will happen in a number of years . If I can solve the immediate problem , then we will be more prepared for the later ones too.
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Post by pcpa on Sept 2, 2022 21:04:33 GMT 1
An open header tank is not illegal, in fact it is far safer than a closed system with safety valves that can fail. I dont dispute the latter but the former for domestic hot water? To have balanced pressures the bathroom cold taps would have to be fed from the unpressurised (more accurate than "open") tank and that is where the danger arises. That is why I asked the question rather than regurgitating what I had been told, having only used balanced pressurised systems since being here I have not had the need to check the veracity of the info myself but the reasoning behind it is sound so IMO believable. My caravan drinking water is from a polypropolene tank but there is I expect a dérogation, in the house I intend using the well water for domestic hot and cold water with a seperate tap on the kitchen sink for drinking water, its probably not allowed.
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Post by cernunnos on Sept 2, 2022 21:14:33 GMT 1
An open header tank is not illegal, in fact it is far safer than a closed system with safety valves that can fail. I dont dispute the latter but the former for domestic hot water? To have balanced pressures the bathroom cold taps would have to be fed from the unpressurised (more accurate than "open") tank and that is where the danger arises. That is why I asked the question rather than regurgitating what I had been told, having only used balanced pressurised systems since being here I have not had the need to check the veracity of the info myself but the reasoning behind it is sound so IMO believable. My caravan drinking water is from a polypropolene tank but there is I expect a dérogation, in the house I intend using the well water for domestic hot and cold water with a seperate tap on the kitchen sink for drinking water, its probably not allowed. Noooooo , not an open header tank on domestic water , that would be very strange. Well water is fine for domestic use , ( we use the spring water) but we still drink bottled water , so long as we can afford it , because the spring can be contaminated , although we do have it tested , but better safe than sorry ?
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Post by cernunnos on Sept 2, 2022 22:03:07 GMT 1
so to get back to the original question , johnnyD, what have you decided to do ?
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Post by pcpa on Sept 2, 2022 22:57:55 GMT 1
Noooooo , not an open header tank on domestic water , that would be very strange. Thats what my UK house and all others until quite recently always had until I fitted a combi-boiler.
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Post by cernunnos on Sept 3, 2022 8:30:41 GMT 1
Noooooo , not an open header tank on domestic water , that would be very strange. Thats what my UK house and all others until quite recently always had until I fitted a combi-boiler. Yes , you are correct , I remember the very old systems in the UK when I was very young . My mother used to warn us to stay away from under the pipe that stuck out of the wall at the top of our house because when the water boiled , it came out of there in a stream .
Very dangerous, that they still had that system in the UK until recently, tells a lot !
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Post by jackie on Sept 3, 2022 9:04:17 GMT 1
Just a heads up Johnny D, Pellets are in very short supply at the moment and the cost has risen too. Apparently manufacturing is switching from coal to wood pellets and pellet production has not kept pace with pellet burner sales. Hopefully the situation will be resolved over the coming months but at the moment very difficult to get hold of. A friend of a friend ordered a pallet for €600 when last year they paid €300 so some blatant profiteering going on. Most suppliers are expecting more deliveries at the end of Sept.
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Post by JohnnyD on Sept 3, 2022 10:24:52 GMT 1
Thank you all for your comments, it raised many of the points i already had myself and some new ones, we will make a decision when next out in October I think, thank you also for the head up on the pellet shortage mentioned .........there is much to consider either way
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