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Post by cernunnos on Jan 28, 2023 9:54:47 GMT 1
Mine has been split into 3 on the site, the house, the cave and the outbuilding/garage, do I fill them in all the same? Obviously no one lives in the cave or the outbuilding/garage Same as ours Johnny . I have found the best way ( if you are happy with the situation) is to let sleeping dogs lie . No change is the best option for us.
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Post by lapourtaider on Jan 28, 2023 10:15:04 GMT 1
Mine said something like according to our records your property is unoccupied (bien vacant) without elaboration. I then had the choice of aucun changement or nouvelle situation.
If it had elaborated on the Bien Vacant as it did with pcpa (thanks for the info), I might have gone down the Nouvelle Situation route.
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Post by mangetout on Jan 28, 2023 11:55:42 GMT 1
Mine has been split into 3 on the site, the house, the cave and the outbuilding/garage, do I fill them in all the same? Obviously no one lives in the cave or the outbuilding/garage Yes.
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Post by pcpa on Jan 28, 2023 12:01:25 GMT 1
Then you will have to declare them as résidence secondaires and pay taxe plus value when you sell Don't laugh, that is what is stopping me from making any déclaration, if I had the option of "aucun changement" I would have taken it. I will go back and look at the new place again, that was shown as inoccupée.
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Post by pcpa on Jan 28, 2023 12:16:17 GMT 1
Mine said something like according to our records your property is unoccupied (bien vacant) without elaboration. I then had the choice of aucun changement or nouvelle situation. If it had elaborated on the Bien Vacant as it did with pcpa (thanks for the info), I might have gone down the Nouvelle Situation route. The property that I am restoring is shown as vacant and for that one I do indeed have the choice of aucun changement or nouvelle situation, the other property the one I have occupied and paid both property taxes on for 18 years they claim they have no details of.
Because they had split it to 2 properties which I thought might bite me on the bum one day I am going to let sleeping dogs lie.
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Post by crabtree on Jan 28, 2023 13:05:29 GMT 1
Mine has been split into 3 on the site, the house, the cave and the outbuilding/garage, do I fill them in all the same? Obviously no one lives in the cave or the outbuilding/garage They should have the same 'parcelle' reference number to make them 'one'.
I had 4 listed all with the same reference number: main house, extension (added by previous owner), garage and terrace. I marked them all 'No change'.
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Post by elsie on Jan 28, 2023 15:56:30 GMT 1
This data collection was part of the 2020 finance law. There will finally be a revision of the cadastral rental values in 2026. The cadastral rental values are used as a basis for calculating the local direct taxes (taxe foncière, taxe d’habitation, taxe sur les logements vacants, household waste collection tax, etc.) The last revaluation was over 50 years ago. The tax authorities now need up-to-date information relating to each property, including the rents charged as part of the recalculation.
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Post by JohnnyD on Jan 28, 2023 16:04:16 GMT 1
They do all have the same parcel number yes......
Mine say this, I can't see an option to say no change
......We do not have any information on the occupation of this property.
In accordance with the law, we invite you to declare the periods for which this property was occupied, rented or vacant.
To start your declaration click on the button NEXT......
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Post by limousinlady on Jan 28, 2023 16:05:51 GMT 1
Mine has been split into 3 on the site, the house, the cave and the outbuilding/garage, do I fill them in all the same? Obviously no one lives in the cave or the outbuilding/garage So is ours, we just agreed the information they had was correct.
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 29, 2023 10:57:16 GMT 1
This data collection was part of the 2020 finance law. There will finally be a revision of the cadastral rental values in 2026. The cadastral rental values are used as a basis for calculating the local direct taxes (taxe foncière, taxe d’habitation, taxe sur les logements vacants, household waste collection tax, etc.) The last revaluation was over 50 years ago. The tax authorities now need up-to-date information relating to each property, including the rents charged as part of the recalculation. Happily we won't be paying Tax Fonciere by 2026 , so the update won't effect us . It's going to be tricky for all those that have put bedrooms in attics and barns without demanding permission .
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Post by tim17 on Jan 29, 2023 13:14:51 GMT 1
I sent all our clients a link to the Impots site so they know what to do, one of them emailed me back this morning to say she's received a letter from the tax office and thinks it's about the same thing.
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Post by pcpa on Jan 29, 2023 13:46:27 GMT 1
Now that is the first bit of common sense if Les Impôts are actually writing to people to request the information.
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Post by pcpa on Jan 29, 2023 13:59:17 GMT 1
It's going to be tricky for all those that have put bedrooms in attics and barns without demanding permission . I was musing on that and the revaluation of the valeur locatif, I imagined a cheap rural property with a few run down barns, very low taxes foncières and taxe d'hab, outbuildings converted into gîtes, swimming pool, owners bringing in a good living from 2 months rental in the summer or more, that is exactly the property that should have a very high valeur locatif because its a money printing machine (well in their eyes anyway) if the complex was rented to someone to exploit it's rental value would be far higher than the run down place next door with the derelict barns. The obligation to fill in the form and the consequences of a false declaration plus the info requested regarding rental periods should flush out a lot of targets for them. But then I thought isn't the info they have or are asking for regarding surface area the surface area brut and not habitable, if they have a grange down as 150m2 and its now a couple of gîtes it is still 150m2 surface plancher so they could tick no change, there would still be the problem of concealing the rental periods. There are loads of gîtes owned by non resident owners who rent them out with the transactions taking place in the UK and the meet and greet and cleaning, maintenance etc being carried out by locals, probably many of Tim's customers from what he has said, even when these are reported its very difficult for the authorities to find and prove that there has been rental income, if they raid the property the owners will simply claim the people staying there are friends staying for free, and what can they do to someone in another country? This way they get the money through increased property taxes.
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Post by elsie on Jan 29, 2023 15:06:44 GMT 1
The Fisc are already using many computerised systems to determine tax avoidance - as examples, scanning social media to see whether individuals have a lifestyle commiserate with their declared income, scanning satellite and other data for undeclared swimming pools, etc.
There are plenty of online databases of properties to let in France. Non-residents will probably be advertising their gîtes in such databases. I'm sure the Fisc already know about them, analysing them and comparing with tax declarations?
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Post by pcpa on Jan 29, 2023 15:19:04 GMT 1
Wishfull thinking, most non residents do not make tax declarations, even those with a Carte de Séjour.
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