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Post by aucamville on Jan 24, 2024 21:54:32 GMT 1
As ever, no mention of the real important issues in France today. The sad death of a young farmer and her daughter at a blockade south of Toulouse.
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Post by omegal on Jan 25, 2024 1:18:58 GMT 1
As ever, no mention of the real important issues in France today. The sad death of a young farmer and her daughter at a blockade south of Toulouse. A lot of people don't come on every day, I saw that on TF1 and France 24, very sad indeed.
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Post by jackie on Jan 25, 2024 11:58:50 GMT 1
Aucamville - Why don’t you find an English speaking forum that deals mainly with French issues then instead of constantly smiting this one?
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 25, 2024 12:06:30 GMT 1
As ever, no mention of the real important issues in France today. The sad death of a young farmer and her daughter at a blockade south of Toulouse. It depends what one finds "real important"
More than two were killed on the roads in France on Tuesday . Maybe these two were real important because they were camped out on a motorway ?
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Post by omegal on Jan 25, 2024 13:52:53 GMT 1
As ever, no mention of the real important issues in France today. The sad death of a young farmer and her daughter at a blockade south of Toulouse. It depends what one finds "real important"
More than two were killed on the roads in France on Tuesday . Maybe these two were real important because they were camped out on a motorway ?
Rather unfair to say they were "camped out on a motorway"! The three were members of the Farming Union and doing their part of blocking roads in support of their joint belief in getting properly paid for their produce and yes the EU are trying to apply restrictions on helping the famers. So it is a pretty important story which in the overall picture concerns us all. Having said that anyone that gets killed is as important of course but this at the moment is the news story which is starting to affact us all, either on the roads (blockades) or in the shops.
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Post by curtis on Jan 25, 2024 14:07:22 GMT 1
I appreciate that the agriculteurs are in difficulties but I cannot support some of the actions that destroy and damage. And the dumping of tyres and rubbish with fires as well. All this has to be cleared up and remade and I imagine that comes out of the various town budgets. And the gendarmerie have to stand around watching this happen. The Ministre de l'Intérieure has to give the green light before they can take action as I understand it. The costs of policing and the pompiers as well. The deaths of the protesters is, of course, to be regretted. But, what about the people in the car that was involved? Was it their fault?
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Post by aucamville on Jan 25, 2024 14:18:25 GMT 1
The police arrested all three people in the car, the driver had no insurance and was driving on the hard shoulder to try to get round the blockade. To reply to Jackie, the header for this Forum states "All things French"
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Post by houpla on Jan 25, 2024 14:53:11 GMT 1
Agree absolutely with curtis. I fervently support the agricultural community but whereas the turning of town signs was a clever way of drawing attention to their plight, their destructive actions do them no good at all. The media love to muck-rake and create divisions so any actions that impact on the general public have the effect of losing them support.
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Post by exile on Jan 25, 2024 15:15:28 GMT 1
The police arrested all three people in the car, the driver had no insurance and was driving on the hard shoulder to try to get round the blockade. To reply to Jackie, the header for this Forum states "All things French" It sounds as if you have already made your mind up about their guilt even before the police investigation is complete. So to balance out the wrongs: Setting up a tent next to the motorway - not permitted Putting straw bales on the carriage way - not permitted Tra ctors and trailers are generally not permitted on the motorway
The accident happened shortly after 5:30 am when it was dark and it has been suggested that the obstructions deliberately placed on the motorway were poorly lit or not lit at all.
I am not sure that this is as black and white as your post suggests.
And incidentally I too believe that smaller farmers are getting a bad deal from both the government and the supermarkets. But I do not like prejudging a tragic incident when it seems all the holes in the cheese were there just waiting to line up.
And tragically they did.
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Post by ForumUser2 on Jan 25, 2024 17:17:32 GMT 1
To reply to Jackie, the header for this Forum states "All things French" What it does not say is ONLY all things French. Start whatever topic you like but stop being so churlish and territorial.
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Post by exile on Jan 25, 2024 17:36:53 GMT 1
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Post by mysty on Jan 25, 2024 17:44:33 GMT 1
Looking at it as a non farmer, if we run into business difficulties we get nothing, we have to adapt and change. If I blocked the autoroute I would be arrested. Yes some farmers are struggling but so are plenty of others they cannot keep getting bailed out. A local farmer here opened a farm shop selling his meat direct and I assume he is doing okay as he is still open. If supermarkets are screwing them money wise they should stop suppling them.
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 25, 2024 17:50:00 GMT 1
Most farmers are actually getting a good deal , I know, being a farmer. The problem that they have , is to get the subsidies there is more and more paperwork to be done. Those that have not chosen to go down the organic ( bio) route, are being penalised and they don't like it . They have always seen alternative farming as ludicrous and now are loosing out. We have 30% more subsidies this year than we had last year and that is guaranteed for 5 years.
The drivers of the car were Armenians that were supposed to have left the country having been turned down for asylum ( I read in Le Figaro ) They were under OQTF, ( they were supposed to have gone back home)
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Post by plog on Jan 25, 2024 19:34:54 GMT 1
Hi exile
"It sounds as if you have already made your mind up about their guilt even before the police investigation is complete. So to balance out the wrongs:
Setting up a tent next to the motorway - not permitted Putting straw bales on the carriage way - not permitted Tractors and trailers are generally not permitted on the motorway
The accident happened shortly after 5:30 am when it was dark and it has been suggested that the obstructions deliberately placed on the motorway were poorly lit or not lit at all."
The Pamiers accident was very (and I do mean very) local to us...
If it helps, mixture of fact (e.g. location of the bales), and other local anecdata/rumours ATM:
The straw bale wall had been built under a bridge so as to completely block all lanes of the south bound carriageway of the A20 (bales stacked right up to bottom of bridge level).
Bales all wrapped/covered in black plastic (as they tend to be).
Couple of marquees were then set up immediately behind (south side) said wall of bales for the use of demonstrators.
No street lighting or road lighting in vicinity, no evidence I'v heard that the bale wall itself was marked with warning lights.
Access to the autoroute from the north side to head south was supposedly impossible because it was barriered about 3 km north of the accident spot, to prevent direct access from both the A66 Peage and the adjacent RN20. There are conflicting reports about the nature of those barriers, how well illuminated they were etc.
Theory is the driver of the accident car was heading south on either the A66 or the RN20, missed or somehow avoided those barriers and then seeing a clear road set off down the Autoroute which at that point has a 110 km/h limit......next thing the driver probably saw was the bales in the headlights at close range. Car ploughed into the bales and then along with some of the bales into the marquees.
Agree with your use of the Swiss cheese model.
HTH
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Post by omegal on Jan 25, 2024 21:28:42 GMT 1
Looking at it as a non farmer, if we run into business difficulties we get nothing, we have to adapt and change. If I blocked the autoroute I would be arrested. Yes some farmers are struggling but so are plenty of others they cannot keep getting bailed out. A local farmer here opened a farm shop selling his meat direct and I assume he is doing okay as he is still open. If supermarkets are screwing them money wise they should stop suppling them. Rather short sighted mysty, for those farmers that supply supermarkets, if they don't sell to them, there is not another market big enough to take their products, catch 22 and the supermarkets know that, so push the buying prices right down whilst selling higher, that of course grates highly on the farmers. The farmers have to do what they need to make a living, how many have said over the years how they like the way the French strike for their rights, well that is what they are doing and for many years. You get very little with talking, people may think you do but it takes action and those of us, probably all of us have lived through strike after strike where actions have won the day. It's all about farmers, or any other commerce sticking together to win the day. Have you seen the actions in France and also in Germany, it is a massive strike. OK some say they are doing well, sorry but these people stick together to try and get it sorted out.....and they will.
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