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Post by exile on Jan 27, 2024 0:26:37 GMT 1
which of course will speed up their reimbursements when they end up in hospital.
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Post by jeliecrack on Jan 27, 2024 4:20:00 GMT 1
Or send the bill for the cleanup to every farm in the commune concerned, regardless of if they took part or not. So I should be fined because the idiots do stupid stuff ? Please explain your reasoning ?
Why should I pay everytime idiots do stupid stuff, I'm not a farmer but I have to pay to clean up their shit.
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Post by norfolk on Jan 27, 2024 6:21:55 GMT 1
So the media have done their job Divide and rule.... The farmers are way beyond peaceful protests which, if they ever carried them out, certainly didn't achieve anything. I think they're going for broke this time and as far as I'm concerned, they can burn every administration building in France. Preferably with some of the snottier foncs inside. It was an MSA building.. The MSA is a private company iirc. There won’t be any ‘foncs’ or there shouldn’t be. In fact there are less and less fonctionnaires nowadays thanks to successive governments cutting posts. Most govt employees are not fonctionnaires. They may still be snotty and unpleasant though….
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 27, 2024 7:56:46 GMT 1
So I should be fined because the idiots do stupid stuff ? Please explain your reasoning ?
Why should I pay everytime idiots do stupid stuff, I'm not a farmer but I have to pay to clean up their shit. I agree with you there. I am a farmer and don't agree with the stupid stuff .
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 27, 2024 8:04:19 GMT 1
No, I'm saying your opinion is misguided My best friend and 'big bruv' is a small producer/maraicher. He's not allowed to participate in the 'action' for health reasons but he's managing to support his colleagues (mostly also small producers of diverse crops) in other ways. Your brother is well enough to be a farmer but too ill to drive a big tractor slowly down the motorway? The farmers are protesting against the changes in their sacred rights to get subsidies and the reimbursement of the tax on the GNR , which the gouvernement wants to introduce. If there were no subsidies paid to farmers , there would be no farming !
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Post by houpla on Jan 27, 2024 8:32:35 GMT 1
He's got an inoperable aneurism, no choice about continuing to work to survive but his MT strictly forbade him to get embroiled in the 'excitement'. His 'big tractor' wouldn't get to the end of the chemin, never mind to the nearest motorway The farmers are also protesting about unfair and unbalanced application of EU rules. They're no longer allowed to manage their fields with products that are still used in neighbouring EU countries, hence the lower prices of imported food. They're protesting about EU directives which dictate which crops they must (NB not may) grow. Each different crop requires specific tools for sowing and harvesting. The small farmers have a choice of going into debt to equip themselves or paying huge bills to the likes of the CUMAs or local entrepreneurs who already have the equipment.
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 27, 2024 8:53:57 GMT 1
I know why the farmers are up in arms, I fill in the PAC . They don't have to follow the rules , just don't ask for subsidies ! They sold their souls years ago , now they have to do what they are told .
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Post by quilbert on Jan 27, 2024 9:01:17 GMT 1
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Post by jackie on Jan 27, 2024 10:01:32 GMT 1
I don’t really understand or have enough experience of farming to be able to comment on this issue. However I do notice there is a lot of non seasonal veg and fruits available now all year round, even here in France where there does seem to be a more seasonal leaning to availability.
I do know that these are grown in huge greenhouses in southern Spain and are not sustainable in the long term. I remember years ago salad items weren’t available in the winter months and we made winter salads and coleslaw etc instead. No toms, lettuce, peppers etc. No one complained as it was just the way of things… I think we have become too used to having everything available all year round even if it tastes rubbish.
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Post by suein56 on Jan 27, 2024 11:46:56 GMT 1
That was a most revealing article .. I thought one of the comments at the end spoke volumes - "Il cultive surtout les euros !" following a comment that M Rousseau receives 173 000€ per year in subsidies.
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Post by omegal on Jan 27, 2024 13:51:07 GMT 1
How correct this is I do not know but I do know this, without the Farmers union farmers would not be where they are now. We may not like what is happening but this is France and in our thirty years plus of living here with many years of working here before, I respect all workers for standing up for what they believe in, so like it or not, this is France and how it has always been for as long as I can remember. Yes have a moan about it but this is what happens, I'm sure you all know that anyway.
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Post by exile on Jan 27, 2024 13:59:21 GMT 1
The MSA is a private company iirc. There won’t be any ‘foncs’ or there shouldn’t be. In fact there are less and less fonctionnaires nowadays thanks to successive governments cutting posts. Most govt employees are not fonctionnaires. They may still be snotty and unpleasant though…. But the M sta nds for mutuelle and the A for Agricole - so aimed at paying farmers and paying their 30% not covered by the state.
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 27, 2024 14:35:58 GMT 1
The MSA is a private company iirc. There won’t be any ‘foncs’ or there shouldn’t be. In fact there are less and less fonctionnaires nowadays thanks to successive governments cutting posts. Most govt employees are not fonctionnaires. They may still be snotty and unpleasant though…. But the M sta nds for mutuelle and the A for Agricole - so aimed at paying farmers and paying their 30% not covered by the state.Nope, The Mutual Social Agricole is the mutuel that every farmer has to be a paid up member of, they impose their cotisations on all farming land owners whether farmers or not.
They are the securite sociale of farming and gardening etc. The rest you can pay ( or not) via a " top up " insurance , I pay €3413.0 to the MSA and €779.0 to Pacifica (Credit Agricole) for health care each year .
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Post by houpla on Jan 27, 2024 14:38:58 GMT 1
It's the farmers equivalent of the CPAM and a pension caisse all in one. It's run on the basis of a 5 yearly convention with the French State, whose Ministers oversee it's management and budget. So to all intents and purposes, it's a government organisation.
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Post by houpla on Jan 27, 2024 14:40:02 GMT 1
Beat me to it, cernunnos
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