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Post by cernunnos on Jan 27, 2024 15:30:09 GMT 1
Just too fast for you my dear! (by two minutes) Last year the rules for farming subsidies changed, so that after 67 years old , you have to be a full paid up member of the MSA retirement fund and cannot get pension and subsidies at the same tlme. Also the subsidies were paid later that the usual October, that pissed a lot of farmers off too!
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Post by exile on Jan 27, 2024 15:33:50 GMT 1
But the M sta nds for mutuelle and the A for Agricole - so aimed at paying farmers and paying their 30% not covered by the state.Nope, The Mutual Social Agricole is the mutuel that every farmer has to be a paid up member of, they impose their cotisations on all farming land owners whether farmers or not.
They are the securite sociale of farming and gardening etc. The rest you can pay ( or not) via a " top up " insurance , I pay €3413.0 to the MSA and €779.0 to Pacifica (Credit Agricole) for health care each year .
Thanks for that clarification. Every day is a skool day
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Post by jeliecrack on Jan 27, 2024 17:17:21 GMT 1
MSA is my mutuel ,I wasn't in farming, but the last entreprise I worked for was with them.
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 27, 2024 17:27:27 GMT 1
Anything to do with the land or forest is classified MSA. They are a pain , a lot of the second wave of English that came to France and bought farms , fell foul of them , because it took a while before they caught up and then the farm owners were hit with three years of cotisations !
But , what have the French farmers been upto today ?
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Post by mysty on Jan 27, 2024 17:31:18 GMT 1
Just an observation as I have no TV where I'm working. SuperU who are not cheap for there fuel is busy and they are never busy here. I'm filling as at some point I would like to go home but cannot do back roads all the way back to the Cher. Normally I leave my house and on the motorway in 6 minutes then come off the motorway 5 hours later then a 7 minute drive to work.
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Post by jeliecrack on Jan 27, 2024 17:36:44 GMT 1
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 27, 2024 17:42:51 GMT 1
I think the word is " cons" ?
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Post by limousinlady on Jan 27, 2024 19:26:14 GMT 1
We did encounter a couple of manifestations today around Angouleme and a protest in the town itself, which seemed very well supported. Although the main road to Bordeaux was blocked and we had to follow a detour, it was well signposted. That with the fog this morning added about 30 minutes to our journey to the airport.
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Post by houpla on Jan 27, 2024 21:00:46 GMT 1
I think the word is " cons" ? I think it's heartwarming to see that there's still a vestige of solidarity in a country that's rapidly becoming as selfish and self-centred as the UK. That's why the Gilets Jaunes had even more of my fervent support. Ordinary people (not a particular sector of society or a union) fighting for other ordinary people who are being sucked dry by greedy, self-serving politicians and businesses. It's probably futile in the end, but at least the French will go down fighting. How can anyone who isn't a smug, 'I'm alright, Jack' type not admire that?
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 28, 2024 8:52:20 GMT 1
The farming world in France is split down the middle, those that want to change the system " ecolo bobo " and those that want to keep the status quo , the destruction of the environement. Please excuse me if I fight for the other "animals" on our planet.
I don't find throwing rubbish on public highways , that has to be cleaned up by others, a good way to challenge the decrease in farming subsidies.
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Post by jeliecrack on Jan 28, 2024 9:36:18 GMT 1
I agree, but there has already been a concession on the proposed rises in tax for the GNR, so the idea to continue will be strong.
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 28, 2024 10:16:29 GMT 1
It used to be easy to recuperate the TVA on GNR , you filled in a form by hand and sent it to the prefecture, but now they have made a site ( Chorus) which is very tricky to use , so makes life more difficult for the older farmers. What the farmers have done , is take all their non-disposible rubbish ( tyres and black plastic) and dumped it on the motorways , the DDE will pay overtime to clear it up and then the farmers will dump more of it again on Monday !
PS : I read that the big tractors are off to block Paris tomorrow , maybe that will help ?
We have to go to our closest abbatoir with lambs ( 60 km) so lets hope the boys are busy elsewhere?
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Post by Nifty on Jan 28, 2024 10:40:14 GMT 1
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Post by jackie on Jan 28, 2024 15:53:25 GMT 1
Get a bit fed up with Brits whinging about the striking over here. If you don’t like it go back to the UK and see for yourselves what a fantastic country a complacent not really bothered population can help make with their rights being eroded away and living conditions suffering….
Yes the strikers can cause too much disruption but rather it was this way than the UK….
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Post by mysty on Jan 28, 2024 16:11:23 GMT 1
Get a bit fed up with Brits whinging about the striking over here. If you don’t like it go back to the UK and see for yourselves what a fantastic country a complacent not really bothered population can help make with their rights being eroded away and living conditions suffering…. Yes the strikers can cause too much disruption but rather it was this way than the UK…. I'm one of these winging brits who had a huge extra drive on top of the usual 5 hours to get to work. I get nothing other my full fuel allowance, autoroutes paid for and a few other things. I'm happy enough here and do not want to move back. Technically your backing thugs who set fire to buildings and tyres, block roads and dump rubbish willy flippin anywhere. They already get plenty of help.
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