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Post by exile on Dec 3, 2021 18:25:59 GMT 1
While I can see what you mean, I think most people will understand it to mean before departure, not afterwards.
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Post by ibis on Dec 3, 2021 18:36:37 GMT 1
While I can see what you mean, I think most people will understand it to mean before departure, not afterwards. I think there is a medical term for it but I will not diagnose it on the internet..
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Post by pcpa on Dec 3, 2021 18:59:49 GMT 1
While I can see what you mean, I think most people will understand it to mean before departure, not afterwards.
Most people on page 1 of this thread were taking it to mean after arrival, I only take notice of the French texts so had no doubt once I saw the décret, my comment really was to point out that use of poorly considered or vague terms can lead to misunderstanding.
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Post by lapourtaider on Dec 3, 2021 19:51:49 GMT 1
While I can see what you mean, I think most people will understand it to mean before departure, not afterwards.
Most people on page 1 of this thread were taking it to mean after arrival, I only take notice of the French texts so had no doubt once I saw the décret, my comment really was to point out that use of poorly considered or vague terms can lead to misunderstanding.
I think there was a lot of wishful thinking 🤔
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Post by robertarthur on Dec 3, 2021 19:56:32 GMT 1
I'm afraid that I read the official texts as published by Paris as: when entering France ( "entrant"). Example: A partir du 4 décembre 2021 à minuit, toute personne de 12 ans et plus entrant sur le territoire français doit présenter un test PCR ou antigénique négatif de moins de 24h ou 48h en fonction du pays de provenance. Exception, EU citizens: " Ces personnes n’ont pas à présenter de test." Source: France Diplomatie.
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Post by JohnnyD on Dec 3, 2021 20:00:19 GMT 1
Most people on page 1 of this thread were taking it to mean after arrival, I only take notice of the French texts so had no doubt once I saw the décret, my comment really was to point out that use of poorly considered or vague terms can lead to misunderstanding.
I think there was a lot of wishful thinking 🤔 Wishful thinking indeed, where would be the logic in testing after arrival, how would you police that……
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Post by robertarthur on Dec 3, 2021 21:06:40 GMT 1
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Post by pcpa on Dec 3, 2021 21:06:40 GMT 1
The logic would be the same as the day 2 and 8 testing, that you could be incubating the virus and produce a negative result, except that for me the logic was and still is to line the pockets of the politicians favored mates. A better logic for France to have allowed testing in France would be to reward the private companies for having risen to the occasion during the pandemic and to not reward the UK politicians buddies. How would it be enforced? In the same manner that the UK testing was supposed to be enforced but wasn't, the sur honneur generally works well in France and the ARS are very diligent. But nonetheless wishfull thinking. I always booked ferries at the last minute, last time I found that with both DFDS and PoFerries the price would go up from €80 to €190 at precisely 23.00 (0.00 GMT) the day before the crossing, taking a test within the 48 hours and getting the result before the prices shoot up will be practically impossible, the last time I checked one of them had moved the cut off point 12 hours backwards. I don't blame them for trying to get as much as they can from those who have no choice but to travel, they continue to lose millions. For both financial and practical reasons a Zeebrugge crossing is a definite consideration, I would take a self test before and after arrival in any case.
After reading Robert's link it looks to be doable to transit Belguim (in less than 48 hours), their passenger location form is so much simpler than the UK one!
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Post by FFS on Dec 3, 2021 21:11:01 GMT 1
While I can see what you mean, I think most people will understand it to mean before departure, not afterwards.
Most people on page 1 of this thread were taking it to mean after arrival, I only take notice of the French texts so had no doubt once I saw the décret, my comment really was to point out that use of poorly considered or vague terms can lead to misunderstanding.
One person on page 1 of the thread interpreted it as after arrival; everybody else realised it mean before arrival, there's no logic otherwise, as JohnnyD said.
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Post by Loiseau on Dec 3, 2021 21:23:07 GMT 1
I have just been reading this press release from the French government hereIf you look at the orange chart on page 3, it shows that vaccinated travellers from the UK to France have to show either a PCR or antigen (lateral flow) test max 48 hours before DEPARTURE from the U.K. If you are not vaccinated, that period is reduced to 24 hours before embarquement.
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Post by robertarthur on Dec 3, 2021 21:45:22 GMT 1
@ pcpa, a simple question: once on Belgium soil, heading for direction Lille, Calais or in between, there will be sooner or later la frontière française. Driving for about one, two hours on the roads of an EU member state doesn't change the colour of a UK passport from navy blue into EU burgundy red. So the entrance requirements to France will still be the same for UK citizens. In the recent past we've seen the temporary reintroduction of border control even between EU member states. On top of that the influx of transmigrants. How strict are these border checks? I really don't know, the last time we had the pleasure to see an assault-rifle pointed at us was two days after the Bataclan terror attack, a péage on the Autoroute du Nord as a roadblock. Not any idea how strict they are right now along the Belgium/France border. Food for thought....
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Post by exile on Dec 3, 2021 21:48:43 GMT 1
I think there was a lot of wishful thinking 🤔 Wishful thinking indeed, where would be the logic in testing after arrival, how would you police that…… But wasn't that exactly what the UK was doing up to 30/11? Come and visit, do a 2 day test (days 0 - 2), do what you like, unless the test is positive and only then quarantine.
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Post by pcpa on Dec 3, 2021 23:58:41 GMT 1
@ pcpa, a simple question: once on Belgium soil, heading for direction Lille, Calais or in between, there will be sooner or later la frontière française. Driving for about one, two hours on the roads of an EU member state doesn't change the colour of a UK passport from navy blue into EU burgundy red. So the entrance requirements to France will still be the same for UK citizens. In the recent past we've seen the temporary reintroduction of border control even between EU member states. On top of that the influx of transmigrants. How strict are these border checks? I really don't know, the last time we had the pleasure to see an assault-rifle pointed at us was two days after the Bataclan terror attack, a péage on the Autoroute du Nord as a roadblock. Not any idea how strict they are right now along the Belgium/France border. Food for thought.... The last time I travelled to Belgium was at the height of the lockdown restrictions, I went with a friend to collect his new tractor, we had our attestations etc but there were no controls.
They tend to stop people at the péages and I am often singled out for being a solo driver in a RHD car so have been stopped & questioned several times but this has always been the Douanes looking for drug smugglers, there has never been border control even at the height of the travel restrictions.
The entrance requirements to France depend on whether you are travelling from an EU country or not:
Sauf pour les arrivées en provenance d’un État membre de l'Union européenne.
I will give it a go if it does not cost any more, if not it's easy to get a test where I am.
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Post by Crystal on Dec 4, 2021 1:27:39 GMT 1
Most people on page 1 of this thread were taking it to mean after arrival, I only take notice of the French texts so had no doubt once I saw the décret, my comment really was to point out that use of poorly considered or vague terms can lead to misunderstanding.
One person on page 1 of the thread interpreted it as after arrival; everybody else realised it mean before arrival, there's no logic otherwise, as JohnnyD said. Yes, that one person was me - who made the stupid mistake of copying and pasting info directly from the Connexion website - apologies, I shall never do it again.
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Post by FFS on Dec 4, 2021 4:11:50 GMT 1
Crystal , I was referring to woolybanana, not you. You posted on page 2 and what you posted wasn't wrong.
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