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Post by tim17 on Dec 7, 2022 7:19:02 GMT 1
With multiple strikes now planned for various parts of the Public Sector in the coming weeks do people think this is part of a grand plan to bring down the Tory government and are the strikes justified?
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Post by Nifty on Dec 7, 2022 9:16:49 GMT 1
1 No.
2 Yes; unless there is another way of governing the Government.
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Post by cernunnos on Dec 7, 2022 9:35:16 GMT 1
I perceive the strikes in the UK as a result of the government policies over the last years , including the delusion that brexit was a good move. The UK has a government that should go to the polls to put things to rights with the voters. They are too far removed from reality.
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Post by exile on Dec 7, 2022 10:44:47 GMT 1
Are some of the strikes being coordinated (which is not quite what was being asked)? Then probably yes. I am sure the train drivers union and the RMT (which covers most other workers in the rail industry) talk to one another and quite probably agree to strike on different days.
However for the rest, it is more about condition in the UK economy that governments have allowed to happen - austerity, Brexit, an oven ready deal etc. - which are now overlaid by factors that could not have been specifically forecast like Covid and Russian invasion of the Ukraine.
Many people, and the more so in the public sector, have seen the quality of life fall over the last decade or more. Now they are expected to absorb 11% inflation with pay rise offers in the 3-5% region. That gap cannot be closed unless the pay offers increase.
The problem for the Government is that if they give say 10% pay rises (still a bit down on inflation), they know that private sector companies will need to offer similar. This will just mean that inflation leaps up by a similar amount, leading to a wage increase/inflation spiral.
Worse, because of the way that some taxes are tapered (eg. NI) to favour the better off, if wages increase by say 10%, tax income needs to rise by more than that. Consequently they are not increasing the tax band for income tax so drawing more people into tax and increasing the tax burden on all tax payers. But this just makes people feel worse off, so they ask for more pay.
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Post by Aardvark on Dec 7, 2022 11:28:16 GMT 1
Meanwhile there's talk of dipping into Thatcher's strategy and looking to place legal limits on withdrawal of labour.
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Post by Nifty on Dec 7, 2022 12:38:45 GMT 1
‘ it is more about condition in the UK economy that governments have allowed to happen ‘
or promoted.
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Post by woolybanana on Dec 7, 2022 17:16:20 GMT 1
The British economy is in a mess because of failure to adapt to Brexit, covid and the noncooperation of the Civil Service with the government, as a result of the establishment rejecting the will of the people and n9 longer working properly.
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Post by jackie on Dec 7, 2022 18:32:23 GMT 1
The British economy is in a mess because of failure to adapt to Brexit, covid and the noncooperation of the Civil Service with the government, as a result of the establishment rejecting the will of the people and n9 longer working properly. Absolute rubbish
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Post by ForumUser2 on Dec 7, 2022 18:40:45 GMT 1
The British economy is in a mess because of failure to adapt to Brexit, covid and the noncooperation of the Civil Service with the government, as a result of the establishment rejecting the will of the people and n9 longer working properly. . But nothing at all to do with 12 years mismanagement by the tory government?
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Post by flober on Dec 7, 2022 18:49:53 GMT 1
The British economy is in a mess because of failure to adapt to Brexit, covid and the noncooperation of the Civil Service with the government, as a result of the establishment rejecting the will of the people and n9 longer working properly. . But nothing at all to do with 12 years mismanagement by the tory government? God forbid that any tory saying they are incompetant with money
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Post by JohnnyD on Dec 7, 2022 19:38:35 GMT 1
He’s just trying to wind you all up, we all know it’s the tories at fault, but still they choose to blame everything and everyone else, it’s just sooooooo tiresome now, they think if they type, write or speak lies they become true……look at the buffoon Johnson as a prime example
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Post by woolybanana on Dec 7, 2022 20:17:00 GMT 1
Plus, of course the covid effect of the workforce shrinking and more people taking benefits which has caused inflation.
Put it this way, the alternative is a Labour Party in hock, as ever to extreme Left unions who will be handed absolute power if the heart of the economy is renationalised.
Are these strikes a coordinated, put up job designed to subvert the legally elected government; of course they are.
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Post by omegal on Dec 7, 2022 20:51:09 GMT 1
You can wind us up better than that Woolyb. Workers struggling to pay their way, Nurses having food banks put close to hand, millions struggling to cope with 12 years of austerity and by far the worst government in my lifetime. Oh yes, let's blame Labour in case they get in at the next election
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2022 20:51:39 GMT 1
Plus, of course the covid effect of the workforce shrinking and more people taking benefits which has caused inflation. Put it this way, the alternative is a Labour Party in hock, as ever to extreme Left unions who will be handed absolute power if the heart of the economy is renationalised. Are these strikes a coordinated, put up job designed to subvert the legally elected government; of course they are. Your having a laugh Labour getting the country in debt. Your team are have stolen million to line there families fortunes. PPE, Sunak said today he is shocked at what that thief has taken for her children millions. If he listened to the news it's been on there for months so he should have kicked the tramp out months ago. As your earlier comment the the UK have still not taken full advantages of Brexit is hardly surprising there are none they have had years to get the act together but all Brexit was is a fairly tale. Other than bald eagle who's family are doing brilliant from Brexit but was not prepared to say what they were doing all I can think of is money lending to the poor it was one big lie. Cheaper food clothes and shoes that's what mogg says you would get. The Erg and there backers should be banned for life from office.
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Post by glazedallover on Dec 7, 2022 20:55:45 GMT 1
He must be very bored as his own 'active' forum barely averages two posts a day. He must be tired and shagged out after a prolonged moderating squawk.
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