Aardvark
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Post by Aardvark on Jan 28, 2024 18:16:17 GMT 1
It seems odd that some people seem to feel that living somewhere requires a person to agree with everything, right or wrong. I don't recall knowing anyone in UK that was happy with everything there, or here in France I doubt if you ask a French person if they are happy about everything the answer would be any different.
Its called life. Good for some. Shit for others.
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 28, 2024 18:43:58 GMT 1
I havn't read about anyone whinging, there are no strikes at the moment here in France, a lot more in the UK !
There are a pile of spoilt farmers here in France that don't apreciate how good they have it.( speaking as a farmer)
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Post by omegal on Jan 28, 2024 19:50:15 GMT 1
I havn't read about anyone whinging, there are no strikes at the moment here in France, a lot more in the UK ! There are a pile of spoilt farmers here in France that don't apreciate how good they have it.( speaking as a farmer) Really, spoilt farmers!! The local lads (farm workers) today having a day off were quite cheesed off with the way it is going, two said their Fathers reckon Farming in France is and has been for a while, just for the large farms whilst the smaller farms seek whatever finances they can get to carry on. Four farms in our area, almost along one long road have packed up since 2014, a couple of others say they are struggling to keep their heads above water and don't know how long they will carry on as their kids have no desire to carry on. On Television the massive amount of Farmers out on the roads this week both in France and in Germany, even at night with their tractor headlights on looked pretty angry, doubt they were happy or spoilt about it all and indeed I can't see them all being out on the roads if they were happy with whatever they are earning.
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Post by houpla on Jan 28, 2024 20:24:30 GMT 1
It's worse than that. The number of bankruptcies and suicides speaks for itself. No, not all farmers are struggling. Some very astute business-minded people have managed to not only weather the downsides but actually make a very comfortable living, usually by diversifying into direct sales of produce, or ditching less profitable activities as and when they became unprofitable to concentrate on vast arable cultures. Good for them. The fact remains that there are hundreds of thousands of agriculteurs struggling and literally at the end of their tethers. They've been saying for years now that they don't want subsidies, they just want a decent price for what they produce i.e. not the derisory dregs that they're offered by middlemen and buyers for the big supermarkets. Sadly, their belief that when they've all gone to the wall France will starve is nonsense. There'll be any number of countries not subject to EU regulations who'll be only too happy to increase their 'cheap' imports.
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Post by jackie on Jan 28, 2024 21:28:25 GMT 1
It seems odd that some people seem to feel that living somewhere requires a person to agree with everything, right or wrong. I don't recall knowing anyone in UK that was happy with everything there, or here in France I doubt if you ask a French person if they are happy about everything the answer would be any different. Its called life. Good for some. Shit for others. I certainly don’t agree with every aspect of life here but think that moaning about strikers interrupting your life is not looking at the bigger picture. They have disrupted my life in the past but wouldn’t think of bemoaning their actions because look at the UK for instance, where unions have become practically powerless and workers rights and conditions have eroded on the back of that but that doesn’t mean anything to me as longer as driving somewhere doesn’t take longer??? .🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤔 If their actions had no impact then the authorities wouldn’t take any notice. Ive been reading about the reasons behind farmers industrial action in France and Germany and dismissing their concerns based on the behaviour of some or because of the inconvenience it causes me isn’t right imo.
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Post by jeliecrack on Jan 28, 2024 21:59:02 GMT 1
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Post by Nifty on Jan 29, 2024 7:00:24 GMT 1
Get a bit fed up with Brits whinging about the striking over here. If you don’t like it go back to the UK and see for yourselves what a fantastic country a complacent not really bothered population can help make with their rights being eroded away and living conditions suffering…. Yes the strikers can cause too much disruption but rather it was this way than the UK…. I'm one of these winging brits who had a huge extra drive on top of the usual 5 hours to get to work. I get nothing other my full fuel allowance, autoroutes paid for and a few other things. I'm happy enough here and do not want to move back. Technically your backing thugs who set fire to buildings and tyres, block roads and dump rubbish willy flippin anywhere. They already get plenty of help. What do suggest they do. Write to their MP perhaps ?
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mysty
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Post by mysty on Jan 29, 2024 8:34:01 GMT 1
At nifty and Jackie
Neither of you have probably tried to run a business in France. I have two sales going through this week which will bring in about 180.000 at different ends of her country which helps pay the bills.
Social charges, accountants fees plus all the other taxes tva and numerous other fees we pay have to be paid.
We get no help so why should they.
So they can fu-k up other businesses because they claim they want more money.
They are just thugs and gangsters.
And as for the yellow jacket thugs they caused millions of euros worth of damage because fuel and food prices were too high.
Look at the prices now skyrocketed since they stopped.
There supporters and the GJ wrecked France for northing.
If you cannot make a business work find a job like everyone else.
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Post by cernunnos on Jan 29, 2024 9:47:30 GMT 1
It is not easy running a business in France , We manage due to hard work and perseverance, when we stop , in four years ,there will be no one to take over. One of our farming neighbours went broke last year , he inherited the farm , was receiving €30,000/year subsidies after converting to Bio but decided to buy a BMW and carry on smoking dope. Half his cows died , he got rid of the rest and carried on with arable , never sowed or harvested in time , so had only the subsidies to live on . Now the land has been rented /bought by other young farmers that are not bio , so he has had to pay back his bio subsidies too. So the other farmers get bigger, need bigger machinery etc etc. But the young chap that took over from the idiot employes 3 others to help run the farm, so the workforce is still the same. Farming is no longer subsidence and if you can't go with the new directives , then you will go broke!
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Post by exile on Jan 29, 2024 12:01:59 GMT 1
I do find it ironic that the thread started with a complaint that we did not discuss French issues and now we have one because we are - albeit that the complaint is because our views do not gel with theirs.
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Aardvark
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Post by Aardvark on Jan 29, 2024 12:22:37 GMT 1
I often wonder what good the protesters think their actions will do. Disrupting the lives of ordinary people who have no power to change the high level policies seems pointless. This applies to France as well as UK. Just stop oil lunatics preventing ordinary folk getting to work does nothing but alienate the general public. Putting up a barricade around an MPs house might have better effect. Surely targetting the government or key figures in the system would be a better strategy.
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Post by woolybanana on Jan 29, 2024 13:16:39 GMT 1
Their unions should pay for the damage as football clubs are held responsible for their fans’ behaviour.
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mysty
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Post by mysty on Jan 29, 2024 13:27:31 GMT 1
I do find it ironic that the thread started with a complaint that we did not discuss French issues and now we have one because we are - albeit that the complaint is because our views do not gel with theirs. It is just a difference of opinion. As I said unless you have had a business here or know of others who have struggled it's not easy. Many used to get it wrong when they got whacked for social charges then company tax then personal tax the banks will not help you here if your self employed.
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Post by mysty on Jan 29, 2024 13:33:44 GMT 1
And getting back to the GJ I can remember when diesel was just over a euro a litre no matter how long people will demonstrate it will never come back down to anything like that same with food. I'm not happy with the high costs the fuel costs I get it back at the end of the year I'm just grateful we still have a business that makes a profit and not trying to survive on a low wage or bog standard pension, I do not know how people do it.
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Post by houpla on Jan 29, 2024 14:13:34 GMT 1
I often wonder what good the protesters think their actions will do. Disrupting the lives of ordinary people who have no power to change the high level policies seems pointless. This applies to France as well as UK. Just stop oil lunatics preventing ordinary folk getting to work does nothing but alienate the general public. Putting up a barricade around an MPs house might have better effect. Surely targetting the government or key figures in the system would be a better strategy. There's a big push today to centralise the protests on Paris, which is as it should be. Perhaps they would have done that in the first place if it was practical to drive a John Deere and trailer loaded with manure, say, 600kms As it is, targetting Préfectures would have made a lot more sense than inconveniencing supermarkets and their customers.
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