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Post by pcpa on Mar 13, 2023 12:08:30 GMT 1
If they have achieved what they intended and he remains impartial in future then backed down is not the right term, climb down perhaps?
You won't have long to wait to know, if he Twatters freely about the suspension and political matters then the BBC backed down.
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Post by mangetout on Mar 13, 2023 12:19:24 GMT 1
He's a football pundit. On that he should be subject to rules of the broadcaster. Everything else is up to him. I support his right to free speech. Not as if he hasn't put his money where his mouth is, unlike many.
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Post by exile on Mar 13, 2023 13:28:17 GMT 1
And clearly the possibility of being gagged by the BBC has hit a chord with many other presenters and pundits.
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Post by jackie on Mar 13, 2023 13:40:00 GMT 1
If they have achieved what they intended and he remains impartial in future then backed down is not the right term, climb down perhaps? You won't have long to wait to know, if he Twatters freely about the suspension and political matters then the BBC backed down. What’s the difference between ‘climbdown’ and ‘backdown ‘? |
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Post by omegal on Mar 13, 2023 14:04:15 GMT 1
The BBC due to this incident laid themselves wide open to verification. As seen, we all now know how many at the top in the BBC have serious links with the Tory party, so any chance of impartiality has been blown wide open. Thus the Lineker incident has seen the BBC backdown/climbdown as they can no longer accuse him of impartiality unless the ones at the top all resign...is that a pig just flown by, Bravo Lineker....
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Post by pcpa on Mar 13, 2023 14:18:19 GMT 1
If they have achieved what they intended and he remains impartial in future then backed down is not the right term, climb down perhaps? You won't have long to wait to know, if he Twatters freely about the suspension and political matters then the BBC backed down. What’s the difference between ‘climbdown’ and ‘backdown ‘? I dont know, back down suggests to me to be someone challenged who backs off, climb down suggests someone who has taken a (high) position who comes down, I just felt that it cannot be said that the BBC had backed down until its seen if Mr Lineker continues in his public statements as before.
Had the BBC sacked him then re-instated him then it would have been backing down regardless of any agreement between them or any changes in his behaviour, Elon Musk and the disabled employee is an example.
To me a suspension means that its intended that you continue in the role after discussions and coming to an agreement, of course in the non public world it is rarely that, simply a step that has to be seen to be taken before dismissal.
If the BBC has achieved their aim of impartiality in their presenters social media utterings then I would say the resolution was not a back down.
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Post by lindalovely on Mar 13, 2023 14:34:12 GMT 1
A Tweet from GL "A final thought: however difficult the last few days have been, it simply doesn’t compare to having to flee your home from persecution or war to seek refuge in a land far away. It’s heart-warming to have seen the empathy towards their plight from so many of you." Maybe now rather than being distracted by whether Gary Linekar is a baddie and should be sacked perhaps we can go back and think about the actual Tory proposal on refugees..a policy that has so far been condemned by virtually every country and court except those from Russia and Belarus and the RW zealots in Italy. This quote from a friend of mine may explain the furore. "As this situation plays out, we need to remember that this is not some random set of circumstances we are witnessing, it is a carefully planned and choreographed strategy by the failing tory party. No, that isn't my conspiracy theory - they actually told us they were going to do it! A few weeks back 30p Lee Anderson took to print and broadcast media and announced to the world, as bold as brass, that the tories could not win the next election on the economy, they could not win on policy, integrity, competence or on their record in office, so they would be looking to start a 'culture war'. He actually said that! I predicted at the time that we would be hearing the term 'culture war' a lot in the coming months and we should expect controversial policy announcements from the tories designed to illicit a response from decent, ordinary people in order that they could divide the nation and take attention away from their myriad failings. They would publicly start the 'culture war' 30p Lee had declared as their distraction tactic. Last night on Newsnight they wheeled out the obligatory conservative to feign outrage at Gary Lineker's tweet and they described the current debacle for the first time as... a 'culture war'. Odd term to use to describe a discussion about a tweet, don't you think? Except we knew it was coming. Because 30p Lee TOLD us it was coming. Don't be fooled and don't be distracted. Those energy bills are still rising, the price of food, clothing, petrol, etc are still rising, the number of tory scandals is still rising, the cost of this failed government's 13 years in office is still rising!" Gary Linekar has been Tweeting about refugees and other aspects of Tory policy for years without anyone commenting as the clip below,, from 2021 shows. link |
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Post by lindalovely on Mar 13, 2023 14:38:22 GMT 1
Hopefully this link works
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Post by glazedallover on Mar 13, 2023 15:26:41 GMT 1
What’s the difference between ‘climbdown’ and ‘backdown ‘? I dont know, back down suggests to me to be someone challenged who backs off, climb down suggests someone who has taken a (high) position who comes down, I just felt that it cannot be said that the BBC had backed down until its seen if Mr Lineker continues in his public statements as before.
Had the BBC sacked him then re-instated him then it would have been backing down regardless of any agreement between them or any changes in his behaviour, Elon Musk and the disabled employee is an example.
To me a suspension means that its intended that you continue in the role after discussions and coming to an agreement, of course in the non public world it is rarely that, simply a step that has to be seen to be taken before dismissal.
If the BBC has achieved their aim of impartiality in their presenters social media utterings then I would say the resolution was not a back down.
let's all play semantics, let's all play semantics la la la la, la la la la. A football song. |
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Post by lindalovely on Mar 13, 2023 15:36:45 GMT 1
If the BBC has achieved their aim of impartiality in their presenters social media utterings then I would say the resolution was not a back down. What the BBC has said is that there is going to be a review about presenters use of social media and clear guidelines will be issued. I assume this is an acknowledgement that guidelines were not clear to start with (and hence limits the BBC to do anything other than pay off GL to leave, assuming he was willing to do that). In the meantime GL is back on Match of the Day and he is free to say what he wants on Twitter within Twitters own general rules and guidelines. |
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Post by jackie on Mar 13, 2023 17:23:41 GMT 1
What’s the difference between ‘climbdown’ and ‘backdown ‘? I dont know, back down suggests to me to be someone challenged who backs off, climb down suggests someone who has taken a (high) position who comes down, I just felt that it cannot be said that the BBC had backed down until its seen if Mr Lineker continues in his public statements as before.
Had the BBC sacked him then re-instated him then it would have been backing down regardless of any agreement between them or any changes in his behaviour, Elon Musk and the disabled employee is an example.
To me a suspension means that its intended that you continue in the role after discussions and coming to an agreement, of course in the non public world it is rarely that, simply a step that has to be seen to be taken before dismissal.
If the BBC has achieved their aim of impartiality in their presenters social media utterings then I would say the resolution was not a back down.
So you think backdown has the same meaning as back off? The fact that both backdown and climbdown have the word ‘down’ suggests that both mean a retreat from a higher position. To me, anyway. |
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Post by tim17 on Mar 13, 2023 17:52:51 GMT 1
The outcome is 'can kicking' at it's best, GL is back on tv and the Beeb will have a policy review which could take months. Meanwhile back in the real world migrants will continue to try and cross the Channel and France and the UK will continue to spend millions trying to stop them.
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Post by mysty on Mar 13, 2023 17:56:23 GMT 1
Back off, climb down mean the same thing  Picture it your in bed with your OH and you say tonights the night and she says back off  then you try again a few minutes later and she says im not going to climb down on this tonight then after a few more minutes of badgering she gives in thats a climb down.  |
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Post by glazedallover on Mar 13, 2023 18:17:15 GMT 1
I would just like to clarify that to my knowledge neither Mr. Lineker nor I are anti-semantic.......
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Post by pcpa on Mar 13, 2023 18:44:26 GMT 1
In the meantime GL is back on Match of the Day and he is free to say what he wants on Twitter within Twitters own general rules and guidelines. I read that "in the meantime Mr Lineker has agreed to comply with the impartiality policy", it might have been adhere to, I can't recall word for word, the message was that he would maintain a lower profile until the review. |
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then you try again a few minutes later and she says im not going to climb down on this tonight then after a few more minutes of badgering she gives in thats a climb down. 